What’s the distinction between an offense centered round Brown and an offense centered round Tatum?
I’ll be the primary to confess that I’m not one of the best X’s and O’s man. Fortunately there are many nice minds writing for this web site. Nevertheless, my really feel for it’s that Tatum is best at distributing the ball (together with organising the play, bending the protection, and benefiting from what the protection provides him). The draw back is that he’s generally a little bit too deliberate, holding onto the ball as an alternative of creating decisive selections. Brown is a little more decisive however that may get him in bother if he guesses flawed and whereas he’s improved as a distributor, he’s not as adept at it as Tatum is.
Some have outlined it as Brown being a play-finisher whereas Tatum is extra of a play-maker. That may sound dismissive, however you want each they usually’ve clearly had success collectively. So why not characteristic each?
Wouldn’t it be price it to make use of a TPE and picks for Dort at 18mil or Hartenstein at 28 million. OKC has to begin paying JDub and Chet, and these bench guys have a workforce choices and are paid far more than they’d get within the open market in all probability.
From OKC’s perspective I might see Dort being a cap casualty, so he’ll be available on the market. With that mentioned, I don’t suppose he addresses the Celtics wants. Hartenstein could be precisely what we’re in search of, however I discover it laborious to consider that OKC will let him go. Particularly after Chet’s most up-to-date impression within the playoffs. Additionally, does OKC actually need extra picks? I assume they’re good foreign money if they’re sooner or later, however in some unspecified time in the future you need to commerce them or use them.
Would you be open to buying and selling Sam Hauser, a decide, and one other participant (perhaps an indication and commerce with Vucevic) in change for Myles Turner who would match into our TPE? You’d be doing proper by Hauser to ship him again to his hometown and also you’d open up some room for the youthful core to get extra rotation minutes. I additionally like the thought of a veteran, playoff-tested heart who can unfold the ground and is an honest rim protector. After all this solely works if Milwaukee is heading for a rebuild.
Aware we’d be taking over some extra cash in that deal however with some maneuvering I believe you’d nonetheless have the ability to pull it off and keep under the luxurious tax with out breaking apart the Jays or buying and selling D White. Welcome your ideas.
To begin with, Turner matches proper into the TPE, so that you technically don’t have to incorporate every other salaries going the opposite method. After all, the Celtics would in all probability need to minimize prices, so they could find yourself sending out Sam Hauser and/or different belongings in a hypothetical commerce.
I believe the consensus on Turner is that his greatest days could also be behind him. He has theoretical worth as a stretch massive that ought to have the ability to defend, however I don’t know if that’s the man the Celtics want. He definitely isn’t going to unravel the “assault the rim with layups and dunks” difficulty.
Good, inventive pondering although. I’d desire somebody like Nic Claxton if he’s out there. Or ideally somebody a little bit cheaper.
I’ve posted this earlier than and would respect your opinion. It appears to me that the period of dominant massive wings is over within the fashionable NBA. Each contender is now constructed round a talented guard and a taking pictures massive, with wings relegated to being 3-and-D gamers. I don’t have a definitive reply to this query, however is it clever to double down on having two massive wings as your greatest, and costliest, two gamers, or ought to we take into account following the brand new pattern?
It’s an attention-grabbing query. I’d pose a query again: Is it extra of a guards/bigs period, or is the scarcity of elite massive wings making a state of affairs the place different positions must step up? The Celtics received a title 2 years in the past with two massive wings. OKC’s title was based mostly on some extent guard and a really prime quality wing (and an elite protection).
I nonetheless suppose that having elite wings is one thing that every one 30 groups would like to have. The Celtics have 2 of them and we shouldn’t overlook that or overthink it. The subsequent goal is to construct the roster round them.
The tougher factor (and not likely a part of your query) is how do you construct a roster round two wings making near $60M every? There’s the rub.
The most effective factor that ever occurred to the 29 groups chasing the Oklahoma Metropolis Thunder could have been the rise of the San Antonio Spurs.
That sounds nice for San Antonio, however how does it assist everybody else, particularly the Boston Celtics?
I consider it like Ultimate Jeopardy. If the chief has $20,000 whereas second place has $9,000 and third has $8,000, the sport is basically over. The chief can play conservatively as a result of nobody is shut sufficient to pressure a tough determination. But when second place has $15,000 as an alternative of $9,000, the chief is immediately compelled to take dangers. These dangers create alternatives for everybody else.
The NBA is clearly extra difficult than a recreation present, however the precept is analogous. My principle is that the Thunder and Spurs could push one another into making roster strikes and strategic changes designed particularly to beat each other. In doing so, they might turn into extra optimized for that matchup whereas changing into barely much less optimized towards the remainder of the league.
If that occurs, the existence of a real rival might create alternatives for each different contender.
Ideas?
Actually inventive query, thanks for this. I believe I comply with your logic. Briefly, by pushing OKC to “remedy” the Wemby downside, they might expose weaknesses that non-Spurs groups can exploit. I’ll add that the Aprons and Tax Threshold could have a say in that course of as properly. The Celtics have been compelled to make strategic cuts and Boston is a giant market. I can solely think about what sorts of monetary selections the Thunder have to make now. Granted, they’ve the picks to assist make issues occur and an amazing GM. So we’ll see.
It’s, maybe, a little bit simpler within the East since that you just’ll solely must face Wemby should you attain the Finals and (cue the cliche) “something can occur in a 7 recreation collection.”
All that mentioned, these items evolve shortly. Simply 11 months in the past everybody assumed that OKC was the main puzzle to unravel for the following 5 years. Now we’re on to the following factor. I are likely to suppose that (paradoxically, given Brad’s feedback) the important thing to fixing the Wemby downside is elite outdoors taking pictures. However I assume we’ll see.
What are your ideas on a commerce with Detroit for Stewart? The Celtics want one other heart and toughness. Detroit wants taking pictures. Hauser plus picks with Stewart coming into the commerce exception?
Nice minds suppose alike. I’ve proposed the identical (or an analogous) deal prior to now. I don’t bear in mind if I wrote about it in an article or no matter, but it surely is sensible. Beef Stew is definitely a man that places strain on the rim. The Pistons might use some extra taking pictures. Each groups win? Identical logic might apply to a number of bigs that might be available on the market.
What are real looking developmental targets in 26-27 for the scholars/grads of Celtics College? All of em: Neemi, Walsh, Baylor, Hugo, RHJ, Amari, Shulga, and even John Tonje.
Okay, let me placed on my greatest fortune teller outfit and gaze into my crystal ball.
Queta: You may’t train dimension, and Neemi has the scale of an old-school heart with sufficient athleticism to play within the fashionable NBA. I’m carried out doubting him, he’s a legit beginning heart for a contender proper now. I don’t suppose he’ll turn into an All Star, however then once more he doesn’t have to.
Walsh: I fear about his offensive really feel, however you’ll be able to’t argue together with his defensive impression. I’m positive he’s placing up 1000’s of three pointers a day in his offseason exercises. If he can grasp that talent, he might have a protracted profession as a 3-and-D wing.
Baylor: Oh man, what’s Baylor’s upside? In his thoughts it’s in all probability Michael Jordan. I’d accept Aaron Neesmith. Don’t learn into that comparability an excessive amount of, I used to be simply attempting to think about level-of-impact, not essentially play-style. He’s in all probability a ok Hauser alternative (much less taking pictures % and extra playmaking) in the event that they determine to maneuver on from Sam.
Hugo I refuse to place a ceiling on, if solely as a result of I do not know what his upside is. He definitely traits extra defensive, however he’s received some good really feel for the offensive finish as properly. I believe he has the expertise to be a beginning wing however in Boston he’ll probably be caught behind the Jays for the foreseeable future and that’s okay.
The remainder are all within the “roll of the cube” class. Any of them might be a rotational participant subsequent yr with starter the wrong way up the road. Any of them might be out of the league simply as shortly. We’ll see. I believe Harper is my favourite, however I’m additionally rooting for Amari due to his dimension.
Who can they realistically get for DWhite? Tweaking across the edges isn’t ok. AND if they don’t seem to be breaking apart the Jays then essentially the most valued piece across the league must be DWhite even with slippage – nobody actually desires to commerce DWhite however they broke him with this Chuck a Three and by not permitting him to play one of the best model of himself they’ve diminished his impression.
The final 2 playoff exits shouldn’t be dismissed, ignored or simply brushed apart. So the actual query is what’s the playstyle they need to transfer ahead with. Are they on the identical web page? Is it we desire dunks or is it chuck a 3 or discovering 2 on 1’s and creating 2 on 1’s and searching for out 2 on 1’s – if we need to do that chuck a 3 factor – then go purchase extra taking pictures and actually decide to this. In any other case minimize the crap and play the appropriate method – however the issue is Tatum prefers to play 30 toes from the basket which actually doesn’t match what Brown and White do greatest which is play in midrange or on the basket……so decide a lane and determine it out.
They cater to Tatum and they’re a prisoner of his DNA and so long as that is who he’s – we could have 2024 and that’s about it. Toss within the new possession group extra involved with the underside line and taxes (principally avoiding them that’s) then it actually will likely be laborious to appear to be we did in 2024. Brad has his work minimize out for him and anxious to see how this all unfolds.
This reads extra like a press release than a query, however I’ll take the primary query and begin there. I believe the Celtics might get loads for Derrick White in the event that they determined to commerce him. I wrote about this earlier and submitted De’Aaron Fox as an choice, although that may be much less real looking with them within the Finals. White is mainly a fringe-All Star degree participant, who’s price is almost unimaginable to measure with stats. We already misplaced Jrue Vacation and Al Horford, two essential glue kind items to our title. I believe the dropoff from shedding White could be noticeable if not simply outlined or measured.
With all that mentioned, the workforce goes to want to make tough selections with the cap and tax and in the event that they aren’t breaking apart the Jays, the following greatest wage to have a look at is White’s. So nothing will be dismissed out of hand.
Can we take statements of possession and administration at face worth or can we learn between the traces? In different phrases are the Celtics ready to spend (if that’s the case, when?)
Actions at all times communicate louder than phrases. We’ve but to see the brand new possession group have an opportunity to point out their actions as Wyc and the earlier group did. I are likely to suppose that they’ll comply with the identical gamplan. If the workforce is nice sufficient to contend, and there’s an inexpensive pathway to that aim, I do suppose they’ll spend. However I wouldn’t count on them to go deep into the tax for marginal upgrades or questionable salaries.
If Brad can current them a plan that is sensible, I believe they’d be prepared. However time and actions will inform.
I don’t perceive why the Celtics must keep away from the repeater tax within the 2026-27 season, can’t they try this within the 2027-28 season. It appears to me, this could a be a wasted yr beneath the premise of saving $$. They’ve a 27 million greenback TPE to make use of, tradable contracts in White, Hauser and every other the younger gamers out facet of Hugo. Plus they might want to pay Pritchard if the Celts need to maintain him. Why not swing for the fences this yr and fear in regards to the 27 season to be beneath the cap.
Good query, and I’ll as soon as once more stress that I’m not a cap professional, however I do love studying and listening to Keith Smith, so I’ll give this a shot. Understand that if the workforce desires to keep away from the repeater tax, they must be under the tax line in 3 out of 4 years. Since they have been tax payers the earlier 2 years, this previous yr is yr one in all that state of affairs. In the event that they blow via the tax this yr, then that will put lots of strain on the workforce to both contend instantly (not out of the query) or drop under the road for the next 2 years.
I believe everybody assumes they’ll attempt to duck the tax based mostly on their actions of the previous yr (dipping under the road with all of the offseason and commerce deadline strikes). Nevertheless, as said above, if the workforce is satisfied that they’re able to contend, I’d think about that they’ll at the least be prepared to entertain choices to pay the tax going ahead.
There’s speak OKC may be seeking to transfer Chet Holmgren. We’d like a bone-fide massive, any curiosity right here if we are able to’t get Giannis?
Chet didn’t precisely cowl himself in glory within the Spurs collection. After all, taking part in towards an alien can try this to you. That mentioned, he’s nonetheless an elite degree defensive massive with upside on the offensive finish. If he’s out there, the value will likely be excessive. And talking of worth, take note he’s set to be paid loads on the extension that’s set to kick on this summer time, beginning at $41M per yr.
If he’s actually out there, he’s an attention-grabbing choice to contemplate. I simply wouldn’t maintain my breath that he’s out there at an inexpensive worth.
There appears to be a glut of wings on the workforce. A very good factor in some methods however not real looking for all to develop and match. So who goes and who stays? I received the impression Brad REALLY likes Hugo, and at 20 years outdated I see them desirous to develop him for positive. However then you definately’ve received Walsh, Scheierman, Harper jr and so on. In the event that they maintain 2 of them, which different man sticks with Hugo? My guess is Scheierman, what’s yours?
I believe Scheierman appears to have essentially the most well-rounded recreation, so I believe he has a leg up. I’m not ruling out the opposite two although, particularly once you issue of their ages. As I discussed elsewhere, Walsh has a strategy to go on offense, however his protection makes him work retaining round. Selections turn into tougher on guys like that once they strategy their subsequent contract. In some unspecified time in the future you need to both commit or give his spot to another person with higher upside. For that purpose, I believe Walsh is the most probably to be included in a commerce if they should make salaries work.
Are we too excited (and biased) about our younger bench? Who really initiatives to be a contributor, journeyman, or out of the league?
We coated a few of this floor in a number of the different questions above, however briefly I believe Hugo could be a starter (or excessive degree sub behind the Jays), Scheierman could be a contributor, Walsh and Harper have to point out extra in the event that they need to be greater than a journeyman. Garza has worth as a third string heart, however shouldn’t be the primary massive off the bench (at the least within the playoffs).
I nonetheless consider on this workforce. We’ve received two elite wings in JB and JT. Tatum goes to return again this yr higher than ever. We’ve received an All NBA 1st workforce defensive participant in D. White whose taking pictures is prone to return to the imply subsequent yr. We’ve received former sixth man of the yr Pritchard and a complete bunch of younger guys with big upside. Queta is a stable again up heart. We’re one respectable heart away from being contenders. I’ve religion.
Preach on. At a minimal this workforce wants to deal with the middle place, however we’ve recognized that for the previous yr. I believe we additionally want some depth at level guard. We all know that Brad desires to assault the basket extra and I believe that may require some roster administration, however may also be some extent of emphasis for the core of the workforce proper now.
I believe in the end we overachieved a bit within the common season and came upon within the playoffs simply how invaluable guys like Jrue Vacation, Luke Kornet, and Al Horford have been to the playoff success of this workforce. That’s not simple to copy, specifically with a youthful bench. Nevertheless, our younger wings will develop from this yr’s expertise and we’ll see how the remainder of the roster fills out. It ought to be an attention-grabbing offseason and a enjoyable season developing.
Thanks for the questions everybody!
